In this deep & wide ranging chat, David Bailey the CEO of Bitcoin Magazine & I discuss going from a hodler to a builder, what keeps him up at night, challenges that force you to figure out who you are, the Bitcoin 2021 conference, piles of Venezuelan cash to take home, Sumo wrestling for Taproot activation, his rabbit hole story, replacing the monetary system with one that is free & open to all, transforming society for a millenium, how revolutions don't pause for a pandemic & so much more.