Episode notes
Guy Young, the founder and CEO of Ethena, joins the show to talk crypto-backed stablecoins.
- How Ethena began with an Arthur Hayes blog post
- The origins of synthetic stablecoins on Bitmex
- The difference between Hayes’ Nakadollar and the Ethena design
- Why synthetic stablecoins have failed in the past and how Ethena addresses this
- How staked ETH as the underlying collateral opens up a new design space
- How Ethena mitigates their exposure to exchanges with off-exchange custody
- Guy’s backstory and entrance into crypto
- Why the circumstances are favorable for the success of a synthetic stable today
- Why the short leg of the Ethena position has to rely on CeFi for now
- Where the yield from ETH positive funding ultimately comes from
- Limits to scale on Ethena on the short leg of the trade and ETH staking
- Guy’s explanation for where the yield from being long ETH comes from
- Correlation dynamics between the ETH yield and the funding rate
- Why it’s important that crypto yields are somewhat negatively correlated with tradfi yields
- What protects the system when funding flips negative?
- How the system can react to constraints in ETH funding and ETH staking
- The possibility of adding Bitcoin as a collateral type
- Why Ethena distinguished the stablecoin and the yield-bearing component
- Rebasing versus accruing yield tokens
- How they think about different stETH derivatives
- Ethena versus stETH-backed overcollat stablecoins
- Why the supply of stablecoins is shrinking
- Will major stablecoin issuers become interest bearing?
- Ethena’s regulatory strategy
- The BUSD security analysis from the SEC and how interest bearing affects that
- Why end users deserve yield in exchange for taking on the counterparty risk of holding a stable
- Why Guy is excited by Paypal USD
- Guy’s prediction for stablecoin interest-bearing market cap
Further reading:
- Arthur Hayes, Dust on Crust
